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Ms. Billie M. Spaight's avatar

The angels on the head of a pin are dancing a wild frug.

Space = G-d

G-d = Space

Liebnitz had the correct idea. A table may be a solid object. It may also be comprised of atoms. But for all intents and purposes, we put things on tables. Similarly, we exist in space on our small part of it. We deal with what is happening on our planet. And we wonder about the UAPs and if we will ever conquer that vasty vastness. And some of us worship G-d. G-d is the One-ness of it all. There is no separation. It's not either/or. Look at the equations above. They mirror one another. Frankly, here's a Zen slap, I don't give a damn. For all intents and purposes there are galaxies, stars, planets, vacuum, dust, nebulas....whatever--all part of the One-ness.

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P. Liberati's avatar

During a psychedelic trip, I met someone who asked to see the creation of our universe. They were shown another dimension where an entity was giving a guided tour, like in a museum. In the comments, they explained that in this dimension there was neither time nor space, only a geometry that was an abstract idea that would later give birth to space and time.

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Don Salmon's avatar

Newton, Einstein, Spinoza and the rest are still talking about an abstract space hypothesized by scientists. Very few people who have not spent years reflecting on the philosophy of modern science realize the extent to which the concepts that supposedly represent the "real" "physical" world are purely mental abstractions. This includes (get ready for this because it's shocking)

gravity

electricity

magnetism

light waves

sound waves

laws of nature

space

time

(Caveat: that is, abstractions when the words are taken as substantial, independently existing realities, pure material or physical 'stuff" existing utterly independent of any kind of Consciousness. Dawkins, Bennett, Hitchens, Harris and virtually all modern atheists make the same mistake (their misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "G_d" is even worse:>))

On the other hand, a child's perception of space - that is, experiential, not abstract, is closer to the depths of the Kabbalah and the Upanishads than any of the philosophers or scientists mentioned.

Here is a short (about 4 minute) video made by a friend who traveled to Nepal over a quarter century ago and was given permission to teach some of deepest teachings of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. I met him at a Catholic convent just south of Washington Square, in NY City, and he teaches practices which are profoundly beneficial for people form all or no spiritual traditions. he has also consulted at length with Richard Schwartz who created and has developed "internal Family Systems" therapy (IFS), which is one of the therapeutic modalities most "friendly" to contemplative practice.

Here is the video: (be sure to put on your most childlike, simple easily delighted mindset before watching):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkP1-lin590&t=114s

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Gary Goldberg's avatar

G-d self-identifies to Moses at the burning bush as 'I Shall Become that which I Shall Become'... which implies that G-d exists in the context of possibility and temporal unfolding of process. In quantum physics, this would be the realm of the Bohmian 'Implicate Order' or the 'Quantum Substratum' as identified by quantum physicist Ruth Kastner as the realm of the 'reality of possibility'. Which would be the 'hidden' relational realm out of which the manifest realm of actuality materializes--relations are NOT available directly to the physical senses. The nominalistic worldview maintains that all that there is, is physicality and that the relations between physical relata are mind-dependent entities that are superimposed. This is our dominant worldview and understanding based on a mechanistic model. This is the mechanistic worldview that admits to the 'mechanistic formalism'. But the 'mechanistic formalism'-- and ANY other formalism for that matter--is, by necessity, INCOMPLETE. Which was shown in the Incompleteness Theorems of Kurt Gödel. What is critical are continuously operative 'Closed Causal Loops' that form the basis of reality (cf. the work of relational biologist, Robert Rosen). This is the generative 'Tohu-VaVohu'--the underlying, basal 'exiting and entering recurrence' as a circular reentrance--on which the 'Pleromatic' element is superimposed and from which it is generated. These are the elements of consciousness according to Jungian protege, Erich Neumann--the 'Ouroboric' circular and the 'Pleromatic' linear components. ( cf. Neumann's book, 'The Origins and History of Consciousness' ) With regard to the 'Tohu-VaVohu', the interpretation of Nachmanides is brilliant and can be related directly to what we now can understand from the breakthroughs of quantum physics that open up into the strange, 'non-intuitive', hidden world of the Quantum Substratum.

See: https://jewishphilosophyplace.com/2014/10/19/tohu-vabohu-is-tov-genesis/

Bohu, as a 'thing which has substance', is the manifest world of physicality, the Bohmian 'Explicate Order' ( cf. David Bohm's book, 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order' ) This is the world that we have direct access to through our evolved human-specific 'interface' with the underlying hidden 'relational reality'. The interface composed of the physical senses that humans have acquired through billions of years of biological evolution. What is this 'hidden relational reality'? It is the Tohu. It is the Bohmian 'Implicate Order' which is the reality of the Quantum Substratum, which is the realm of 'possibility'. How does Nachmanides describe this hidden relational realm of the Tohu? ...as “a very thin substance devoid of corporeality but having a power of potency, fit to assume form and to proceed from potentiality into reality.” Wow!! The RaMBaN was way ahead of his time with this fundamental insight!!! The Tohu is the realm of relational reality, the hidden realm of the Quantum Substratum, which is the real relational realm of possibility out of which physical existence materializes. Which, according to the 'Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Physics', is the realm in which all 'Transactions' are negotiated prior to their actualization into the Vohu--ie. the realm of physical existence.

And so we have two interconnected realms:

1. The ToHu... which is the relational realm of possibility that is hidden from us which is our true Reality and which exists outside of space-time. This is the true real realm of concretion--the concrete reality.

2. The Bohu... which is the manifest physical realm of material existence--the realm of 'substance' which is the realm of physical 'existents' and space-time. This is the physical realm of existence as we are able to 'know it'--which is the realm of abstraction that is a product of thought and is specific to the evolved human interface with the hidden quantum substratum. When we assume that what we materially perceive is concrete rather than abstract and which we thus tend to 'reify', we are making a fundamental error that AN Whitehead called the 'Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness.'

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